{"id":3965,"date":"2010-01-13T12:33:49","date_gmt":"2010-01-13T09:33:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/wordpress\/2010\/01\/13\/bir-tanri-var-midir-krishnamurti\/"},"modified":"2010-01-13T12:33:49","modified_gmt":"2010-01-13T09:33:49","slug":"bir-tanri-var-midir-krishnamurti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/narteks.net\/index.php\/2010\/01\/13\/bir-tanri-var-midir-krishnamurti\/","title":{"rendered":"Bir Tanr\u0131 var m\u0131d\u0131r? | Krishnamurti"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Soru: Bir Tanr\u0131’n\u0131n var olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ger\u00e7ekten bilmek isterdim.E\u011fer yoksa, hayat\u0131n hi\u00e7 bir anlam\u0131 yok. \u0130nsan, Tanr\u0131y\u0131 bilmeden, binlerce inan\u00e7 ve g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fc i\u00e7inde Tanr\u0131’y\u0131 bulmu\u015f. B\u00fct\u00fcn bu inan\u00e7lar\u0131n do\u011furdu\u011fu b\u00f6l\u00fcnme ve korku in\u015fam kendi t\u00fcr\u00fcnden ay\u0131rm\u0131\u015f. Bu b\u00f6l\u00fcnmenin ac\u0131 ve zarar\u0131ndan ka\u00e7mak i\u00e7in daha da \u00e7ok inan\u00e7lar yarat\u0131yor; \u00e7o\u011falan ac\u0131 ve zihin kar\u0131\u015f\u0131kl\u0131\u011f\u0131 in\u015fam bir girdab\u0131n i\u00e7ine \u00e7ekip yutmu\u015f. Bilmeden inan\u0131yoruz. Tanr\u0131’y\u0131 bilebilir miyim? Hem Hindistan’da hem de buradaki bir\u00e7ok ermi\u015fe bu soruyu sordum ve hepsi de inan\u00e7 \u00fczerinde \u0131srarla durdular: “\u0130nan, o zaman bileceksin; inanmadan hi\u00e7 bir zaman bilemezsin.” dediler. Siz ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcz?<\/p>\n

Krishnamurti:<\/strong> Anlamak i\u00e7in inan\u00e7 gerekli mi? \u00d6\u011frenmek, bilmekten \u00e7ok daha \u00f6nemli… \u0130nanc\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenmek, inanc\u0131n sonudur. Zihin inan\u00e7tan kurtuldu\u011fu zaman bakabilir. Ba\u011flay\u0131c\u0131 olan, inan\u00e7 ya da inan\u00e7s\u0131zl\u0131kt\u0131r; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc inan\u00e7s\u0131zl\u0131k ve inan\u00e7 ayn\u0131d\u0131r: Ayn\u0131 paran\u0131n ters y\u00fczleridir bunlar. B\u00f6ylece olumlu ve olumsuz inanc\u0131 b\u00fct\u00fcn\u00fcyle bir yana koyabiliriz; inan\u00e7l\u0131 ve inan\u00e7s\u0131z, ayn\u0131d\u0131r. Bu ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti\u011fi zaman, “Bir Tanr\u0131 var m\u0131d\u0131r?” sorusu olduk\u00e7a de\u011fi\u015fik bir anlam kazan\u0131r. B\u00fct\u00fcn gelenek, bellek, ak\u0131lsal ve duygusal anlat\u0131mlar\u0131yla “Tanr\u0131” kelimesi; b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar, Tanr\u0131 de\u011fildir. Kelime, ger\u00e7ek de\u011fildir. Demek ki, zihin kelimeden kurtulabilir mi?
Soru:<\/strong> Bunun ne demek oldu\u011funu bilmiyorum. <\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> Kelime, gelenektir; umut, mutla\u011f\u0131 bulma iste\u011fi, en y\u00fcce olan i\u00e7in sava\u015fmak, varolu\u015fa canl\u0131l\u0131k veren harekettir. Demek ki, kelime kendisi en y\u00fcce olan oluyor, ama ayn\u0131 zamanda kelimenin, “\u015fey” olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m da \u00f6rebiliyoruz. Zihin, kelimedir ve kelime d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncedir.<\/p>\n

Soru:<\/strong> ve kendimi kelimeden soymam\u0131 istiyorsunuz. Bunu nas\u0131l yapabilirim?<\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong>Kelime, “ge\u00e7mi\u015f zaman”d\u0131r; bellektir. “E\u015f” kelimedir, “ev” kelimedir. Ba\u015flang\u0131\u00e7ta kelime vard\u0131. Ayn\u0131 zamanda, kelime ileti\u015fim (haberle\u015fme), \u00f6zde\u015fle\u015fme (h\u00fcviyet) demektir, isminiz, siz de\u011filsiniz, ama isminiz olmadan sizi soru\u015fturamam. Ve bana, zihnin kelimeden kurtulup kurtulamayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 soruyorsunuz.Yani, zihin, kendi etkinli\u011finden (faaliyetinden) kurtulabilir mi?
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> A\u011fa\u00e7 durumunda, nesne, g\u00f6zlerimin \u00f6n\u00fcnde ve evrensel s\u00f6zle\u015fme ile kelime, a\u011faca y\u00fckleniyor. Ama ‘Tanr\u0131” kelimesi s\u00f6z konusu oldu\u011fu zaman kelimenin y\u00fcklenece\u011fi herhangi bir \u015fey yok; hi\u00e7 bir referans olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in de her insan ona ait kendi g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fcs\u00fcn\u00fc yaratabiliyor. Din bilimci bir bi\u00e7imde, entelekt\u00fcel ba\u015fka bir bi\u00e7imde, inan\u00e7l\u0131 ve inan\u00e7s\u0131z da, kendi yollar\u0131nda yap\u0131yorlar bunu. Umut, sonra da aray\u0131\u015f ortaya \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yor bu inanc\u0131. Bu umut, umutsuzlu\u011fun sonucu; d\u00fcnyada, \u00e7evremizde g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fcz her \u015feyin umutsuzlu\u011fu. Umutsuzluktan umut do\u011fuyor; bunlar da ayn\u0131 paran\u0131n iki y\u00fcz\u00fc. Umut olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman cehennem var ve bu cehennem korkusu bize umudun canl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 veriyor. Sonra da yan\u0131lsama ba\u015fl\u0131yor. Demek ki kelime bizi yan\u0131lsamaya g\u00f6t\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015f durumda, hi\u00e7 de Tanr\u0131ya de\u011fil. Tanr\u0131, tap\u0131nd\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z yan\u0131lsamad\u0131r; inan\u00e7s\u0131z ki\u015fi de tapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ba\u015fka bir tanr\u0131n\u0131n yan\u0131lsamas\u0131n\u0131 yarat\u0131yor -devlet, bir \u00fctopya, ya da b\u00fct\u00fcn hakikati i\u00e7erdi\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc bir kitap-. B\u00f6ylece, yan\u0131lsamas\u0131yla birlikte kelimeden kurtulup kurtulamayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 soruyoruz size.
Soru:<\/strong> Bunun \u00fczerinde derince d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeliyim. <\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> E\u011fer yan\u0131lsama yoksa geriye ne kal\u0131r?
Soru:<\/strong> Sadece, olan. <\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> O “olan” en kutsal oland\u0131r.
Soru:<\/strong> E\u011fer “olan” en kutsalsa o zaman sava\u015f, nefret, karga\u015fa, ac\u0131, h\u0131rs, ya\u011fma en kutsal. O zaman hi\u00e7 bir de\u011fi\u015fmeden s\u00f6z etmemeliyiz. E\u011fer “olan” kutsalsa, o zaman her katil, ya\u011fmac\u0131 ve f\u0131rsat\u00e7\u0131, “Bana dokunma, yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m kutsald\u0131r.” diyebilir. <\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> “Olan, en kutsal oland\u0131r.” c\u00fcmlesinin basitli\u011finin ta kendisi b\u00fcy\u00fck yanl\u0131\u015f anlamaya g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcyor, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc ondaki hakikati g\u00f6rm\u00fcyoruz. “0lan”\u0131n kutsall\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcrseniz, adam \u00f6ld\u00fcrmezsiniz, sava\u015fmazs\u0131n\u0131z, umut etmezsiniz, s\u00f6m\u00fcrmezsiniz. Bu \u015feyleri yapm\u0131\u015f olduktan sonra, uymad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z bir hakikatten ayr\u0131cal\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z oldu\u011funu \u00f6ne s\u00fcremezsiniz. Siyah g\u00f6stericiye, “Olan kutsald\u0131r, kar\u0131\u015fma, yakma…” diyen beyaz adam bir \u015fey g\u00f6rmemi\u015ftir, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc e\u011fer g\u00f6rseydi, zenci onun i\u00e7in kutsal olacakt\u0131 ve yak\u0131p y\u0131kmaya da gerek kalmayacakt\u0131. Demek ki, e\u011fer her birimiz bu hakikati g\u00f6r\u00fcrse, de\u011fi\u015fmenin olmas\u0131 gerekir. Hakikati b\u00f6yle g\u00f6rmek, de\u011fi\u015fmedir.
Soru:<\/strong> Buraya Tanr\u0131’n\u0131n var olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m \u00f6\u011frenmeye geldim, ama siz tamamen akl\u0131m\u0131 kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131n\u0131z.<\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> Tanr\u0131’n\u0131n var olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 sormaya geldiniz. Biz de dedik ki. “kelime”, bizi tapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z yan\u0131lsamaya g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr ve bu yan\u0131lsama i\u00e7in birbirimizi isteyerek yok ediyoruz. Yan\u0131lsama yokken “olan” en kutsald\u0131r. \u015eimdi “olan”\u0131n ger\u00e7ekte ne oldu\u011funa bakal\u0131m. Belirli bir anda. “olan”, korku olabilir, derin umutsuzluk, ya da kab\u0131na s\u0131\u011fmaz ne\u015fe olabilir. Bu \u015feyler s\u00fcrekli olarak de\u011fi\u015fiyor. Ama ayn\u0131 zamanda, “\u00c7evremde b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar de\u011fi\u015fiyor, ama ben de\u011fi\u015fmeden kal\u0131yorum.” diyen bir de g\u00f6zlemci var. Bu bir hakikat mi, ger\u00e7ekte “olan” o mu? O da de\u011fi\u015fmiyor mu, kendisine bir \u015feyler ekleyip kendisin-den.bir \u015feyler \u00e7\u0131kartm\u0131yor mu; de\u011fi\u015fiyor, kendini uyduruyor, oluyor ve yok olmuyor mu? Demek ki hem g\u00f6zlemci hem de g\u00f6zlenen s\u00fcrekli olarak de\u011fi\u015fiyor. “Olan” de\u011fi\u015fmedir. Bu bir hakikattir. “Olan” budur.
Soru: <\/strong>O zaman a\u015fk de\u011fi\u015febilir mi? E\u011fer her \u015fey bir de\u011fi\u015fme hareketiyse, a\u015fk da o hareketin bir par\u00e7as\u0131 de\u011fil mi? Ve a\u015fk de\u011fi\u015febilirse, o zaman ben bir kad\u0131n\u0131 bu g\u00fcn sevebilirim ve yar\u0131n da bir ba\u015fkas\u0131yla yatar\u0131m. <\/em>
Krishnamurti:<\/strong> A\u015fk m\u0131 o? Yoksa a\u015fk\u0131n, a\u015fk\u0131n dile getirilmesinden de\u011fi\u015fik oldu\u011funu mu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz? Yoksa anlat\u0131ma a\u015fktan daha b\u00fcy\u00fck bir \u00f6nem veriyor da b\u00f6ylece bir \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma, \u00e7eli\u015fki mi yarat\u0131yorsunuz? A\u015fk, de\u011fi\u015fim \u00e7ark\u0131n\u0131n i\u00e7inde yakalanabilir mi hi\u00e7? E\u011fer \u00f6yleyse, o zaman nefret de olabilir; o zaman a\u015fk, nefrettir. Sadece hi\u00e7 bir yan\u0131lsama olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman, “olan” en kutsald\u0131r. Hi\u00e7 bir yan\u0131lsama olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman “olan” Tanr\u0131’d\u0131r, ya da ba\u015fka bir ad kullan\u0131labilir. Demek ki Tann, ya da ona hangi ad\u0131 verirseniz verin, S\u0130Z olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z zaman vard\u0131r. Siz varken, o yoktur. Siz yokken, a\u015fk vard\u0131r. Siz varken, a\u015fk yoktur.<\/p>\n

Krishnamurti Kimdir ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Krishnamurti Jiddu Krishnamurti, (12 May\u0131s 1895 – 17 \u015eubat 1986) Hindistan’\u0131n Madanapalle kentinde do\u011fdu. 1909 y\u0131l\u0131nda C.W. Leadbeater taraf\u0131ndan ke\u015ffedildi. 13 ya\u015f\u0131ndayken Theosophical Society taraf\u0131ndan “d\u00fcnya \u00f6\u011fretmeni” olarak se\u00e7ildi. Konu\u015fmalar\u0131 ve yaz\u0131lar\u0131 herhangi bir dinle ba\u011flant\u0131l\u0131 de\u011fildir. Kendisine mesihlik yak\u0131\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen bunu kesinlikle reddetmi\u015ftir. B\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyada geni\u015f bir dinleyici kitlesine ula\u015fm\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen \u00e7evresindekiler taraf\u0131ndan olu\u015fturulan \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc kendisi da\u011f\u0131tm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Hi\u00e7bir zaman kendisini bir otorite olarak g\u00f6rmedi ve \u00e7evresinde m\u00fcridlerin olu\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131 istemedi. Her zaman bir birey ile bir ba\u015fka birey olarak konu\u015fmay\u0131 tercih etti. Krishnamurti, 1986’da \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcne kadar konu\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc.<\/p>\n

Eserleri, D\u00fcnyay\u0131 dola\u015farak yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 konu\u015fmalardan derlenmi\u015ftir. Konu\u015fmalar\u0131nda “hakikatin\/ger\u00e7e\u011fin yollar\u0131 olmayan bir \u00fclke” oldu\u011funu ve bireyin ancak sessiz\/dingin bir fark\u0131ndal\u0131kla ve t\u00fcm ya\u015fam ile b\u00fct\u00fcnle\u015ferek ya\u015famas\u0131 halinde ger\u00e7e\u011fin\/hakikatin kendili\u011finden gelece\u011fini s\u00f6ylemi\u015ftir. \u00d6l\u00fcm ile Ya\u015fam\u0131n bir ve tekli\u011fi, ya\u015fam\u0131n dura\u011fan olamayaca\u011f\u0131, korku, \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck, \u015fiddet,do\u011fa ve \u00e7evre vb. \u00fczerine konu\u015fmalar yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r.<\/p>\n

En Ak\u0131lda Kal\u0131c\u0131 S\u00f6z\u00fc \u0130se : “insanlar h\u0131zla akan ya\u00a7am nehrinin yan\u0131nda kendilerine k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir havuz kazarlar, iste o havuzda koku\u015fur, o havuzda \u00f6l\u00fcp giderler.”<\/p>\n

Kitaplar\u0131ndan se\u00e7meler:<\/p>\n

Zihin ve D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnce \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
\u00d6\u011frenme ve Bilgi \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
\u00d6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Ya\u015famak ve \u00d6lmek \u00dczerine,, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
\u0130li\u015fki \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Korku \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Tanr\u0131 \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Do\u011fa ve \u00c7evre \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
\u00c7at\u0131\u015fma \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Sevgi ve Yaln\u0131zl\u0131k \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Do\u011fru Meslek \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Hakikat \u00dczerine, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
\u0130\u00e7 \u00d6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck, \u00c7eviri: \u0130lhan G\u00fcng\u00f6ren, Yol Yay\u0131nlar\u0131
Zaman\u0131n Sonu, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Farkl\u0131 Bir Ya\u015fam, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi
Meditasyonlar, Ayna Yay\u0131nevi<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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