{"id":4155,"date":"2010-02-08T01:53:55","date_gmt":"2010-02-07T22:53:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/wordpress\/2010\/02\/08\/zazalar-kimdir-munzur-cemle-yapilan-bir-soylesi\/"},"modified":"2010-02-08T01:53:55","modified_gmt":"2010-02-07T22:53:55","slug":"zazalar-kimdir-munzur-cemle-yapilan-bir-soylesi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/narteks.net\/index.php\/2010\/02\/08\/zazalar-kimdir-munzur-cemle-yapilan-bir-soylesi\/","title":{"rendered":"Zazalar kimdir? | Munzur \u00c7em&#8217;le yap\u0131lan bir s\u00f6yle\u015fi"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"float: left;\" src=\"images\/stories\/munzur-cem.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"155\" height=\"205\" \/>Zazaca\u2019n\u0131n \u00f6nemli otoritelerinden <em>Munzur \u00c7em,<\/em> Zazaca \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar ve Zazalar\u0131n K\u00fcrt olup olmamas\u0131 konular\u0131na de\u011findi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n (Dimilk\u00ee) \u00f6nemli otoritelerinden biri olan Munzur \u00c7em, AKnews&#8217;e, T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de kaybolmakta olan 18 dil aras\u0131nda yer alan Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n sorunlar\u0131, K\u00fcrt ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n bu leh\u00e7eye yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 ve Vate Grubu&#8217;nun \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131 anlatt\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>VATE DERG\u0130S\u0130 GRUBU&#8217;NUN \u00c7ALI\u015eMALARI<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Vate Grubu&#8217;nun \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 12 y\u0131l \u00f6nce \u0130sve\u00e7&#8217;te ba\u015flad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 belirten Munzur \u00c7em, \u201cAncak \u00f6nceleri de \u0130sve\u00e7&#8217;te Zazaca \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan arkada\u015flar biraraya gelir tart\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131k. Gramer ve yaz\u0131m konusunda sorunlar vard\u0131. Zazaca&#8217;y\u0131 standartla\u015ft\u0131rmak i\u00e7in program \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131k\u201d dedi. \u00c7em, \u015f\u00f6yle devam etti:<\/p>\n<p>\u201c\u00d6nce kelime tespit ediyoruz, bunu modern \u00e7a\u011fa, bilime uyarlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Bir\u00e7ok yeni kelime var, bunlar\u0131n Zazaca kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 yok. Bu kelimelerden baz\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 t\u00fcretiyoruz, baz\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 di\u011fer dillerden al\u0131yoruz. Zazaca&#8217;da a\u011f\u0131z farkl\u0131l\u0131klar\u0131 \u00e7ok fazla. Mesela Dersim y\u00f6resinde bir kelime farkl\u0131 kullan\u0131l\u0131yor, Varto y\u00f6resinde farkl\u0131, Dicle&#8217;de farkl\u0131 kullan\u0131l\u0131yor. Biz elimizdeki bilgi ve verilere g\u00f6re bunlardan birini ya da ikisini esas al\u0131yoruz. Di\u011ferlerini de leh\u00e7enin zenginli\u011fi olarak adland\u0131r\u0131yoruz. Vate Grubu&#8217;ndakilerin t\u00fcm\u00fc, belirledi\u011fimiz kurallara g\u00f6re yaz\u0131yor. \u0130nsanlara zorla b\u00f6yle yaz\u0131n diyemiyoruz. Sadece bu \u015fekilde yaz\u0131labilir diye \u00f6neri yap\u0131yoruz. Bir di\u011fer nokta da folklorik ve tarihi \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalara m\u00fcdahale etmiyoruz.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>ZAZACA&#8217;NIN SORUNLARI<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Munzur \u00c7em, \u201cT\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de ya\u015fayan K\u00fcrtler&#8217;in y\u0131llard\u0131r tart\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir konuya gelirsek; Zazaca ile Kurmanci. Bu iki leh\u00e7eyi k\u0131yaslarsak, sorunlar\u0131 ortakt\u0131r diyebilir miyiz?&#8221; sorumuz \u00fczerine, \u201cSorunlar\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck k\u0131sm\u0131 ortak. Yasakland\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in, ikisi de okunup yaz\u0131lmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in yeterince geli\u015fmemi\u015f\u201d cevab\u0131n\u0131 verdi. \u00c7em, \u015f\u00f6yle devam etti:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAma yine de Kurmanci, Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n \u00e7ok \u00f6n\u00fcnde. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Kurmanclar n\u00fcfus olarak Zazalar&#8217;dan fazla. Di\u011fer avantaj ise K\u00fcrtler&#8217;in ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 di\u011fer par\u00e7alarda Kurmanci konu\u015fuluyor olmas\u0131. Yine buralarda ge\u00e7mi\u015f y\u0131llarda Kurmanci i\u00e7in radyolar vard\u0131; Erivan Radyosu, Ba\u011fdat Radyosu, Tahran Radyosu gibi&#8230; Kurmanci gazete ve dergi \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131ld\u0131. Ehmed\u00ea Xan\u00ee, Melay\u00ea Ciz\u00eer\u00ee, Feqiy\u00ea Teyran&#8217;\u0131n yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 klasikler var. Sorani yaz\u0131lan klasiklerin baz\u0131lar\u0131 Kurmanci&#8217;ye \u00e7evrilmi\u015f. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar Kurmanci i\u00e7in b\u00fcy\u00fck avantaj. Ge\u00e7mi\u015fte T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de K\u00fcrtler&#8217;in ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 b\u00f6lgede, Kurmanci medreselerde e\u011fitim dili olarak kullan\u0131lm\u0131\u015f. Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n b\u00f6yle de\u011fil. Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n geli\u015fmemesinin \u00f6n\u00fcndeki ba\u015fka bir engel de, Zazalar&#8217;\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 yerlerin da\u011fl\u0131k olmas\u0131. Diyarbak\u0131r&#8217;\u0131n kuzeyi, Elaz\u0131\u011f, Bing\u00f6l, Dersim gibi b\u00f6lgelerde genellikle ba\u015fkald\u0131r\u0131lar olmu\u015ftur. Burada ya\u015fayan insanlar, yasaklarla s\u00fcrg\u00fcnlerle cezaland\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Yine Zazalar Kurmanclar kadar ekonomik ya\u015famlar\u0131nda rahat olmam\u0131\u015flard\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>K\u00dcRT\u00c7E YAYINLARDA ZAZACAYA AZ YER VER\u0130L\u0130YOR<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Munzur \u00c7em, ayn\u0131 konuyla ilgili olarak, \u015fu ele\u015ftiriyi de dile getirdi:<\/p>\n<p>\u201dCeladet Bedirxan&#8217;\u0131n haz\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 Kurmanci alfabesi var. Kurmanclar&#8217;\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fc bu alfabeyi kullan\u0131yor. Ama Zazalar \u00f6yle de\u011fil. Zazaca yaz\u0131m\u0131 20 y\u0131l \u00f6nce ba\u015flad\u0131 ve farkl\u0131 farkl\u0131 alfabeler kullan\u0131l\u0131yor. Yine K\u00fcrtler i\u00e7in yay\u0131n yapan televizyon ve radyolar Zazaca&#8217;ya az yer veriyor. Payla\u015f\u0131m adil de\u011fil. Neredeyse programlar\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fc Kurmanci ya da Sorani yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Hi\u00e7bir K\u00fcrt televizyonunda Zazaca haber program\u0131 yok.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Munzur \u00c7em, bu durumun nedeni konusunda da \u015funlar\u0131 s\u00f6yledi:<\/p>\n<p>\u201dK\u00fcrtler Mustafa Kemal d\u00f6neminden \u00f6nce leh\u00e7e sorunu olmadan bir arada ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flar. Dedelerimiz Kurmanci, Sorani, Zazaca ve Hewremani konu\u015fuyorlard\u0131, birbirlerini anlayabiliyorlard\u0131. O d\u00f6nemler K\u00fcrtler aras\u0131ndaki leh\u00e7e farkl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 tart\u0131\u015fma konusu olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde ise, baz\u0131 \u00e7evreler, Sorani&#8217;yi, baz\u0131 \u00e7evreler de Kurmanci&#8217;yi resmi dil yapmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Bu siyasetler yanl\u0131\u015ft\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOkullarda Zazaca ve Kurmanci birlikte okutulmal\u0131d\u0131r. Bir s\u00fcre sonra iki leh\u00e7e de \u00f6\u011frenilir. B\u00f6ylelikle iki leh\u00e7e aras\u0131ndaki farkl\u0131l\u0131klar azal\u0131r\u201d diyen \u00c7em, \u015f\u00f6yle devam etti:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPrensip olarak bir leh\u00e7enin ortadan kald\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 demokratik de\u011fildir ve politik problemlere neden olabilir. San\u0131r\u0131m \u00e7ok say\u0131da ki\u015finin kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131 leh\u00e7e, az say\u0131da ki\u015finin kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131 leh\u00e7eyi etkisi alt\u0131na al\u0131yor. Bu do\u011fal bir s\u00fcre\u00e7 de\u011fil mi? Mesela Irak&#8217;ta Sorani bilen K\u00fcrtlerin \u00e7o\u011fu Behdini bilmiyor, ama Behdini konu\u015fanlar Sorani biliyor.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00c7em, \u201cZazalar T\u00fcrk\u00e7e \u00f6\u011frenerek asimile olmaktansa, Kurmanci \u00f6\u011frenerek asimile olsunlar\u201d g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fc nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?\u201d sorumuza da \u015fu cevab\u0131 verdi:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cKi\u015fisel g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm, Kurmanci ve T\u00fcrk\u00e7e aras\u0131nda bir tercih yapmak zorunda kal\u0131rsam, yani ba\u015fka hi\u00e7bir se\u00e7ene\u011fim yoksa, ku\u015fkusuz Kurmanci derim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc o benim dilimin leh\u00e7esi. Fakat T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de Zazalar\u0131n Kurmanci \u00f6\u011frenme olanaklar\u0131 yok. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Kurmanclar kendileri zaten asimile oluyor.\u201d<br \/><strong><br \/>&#8216;ZAZALARIN K\u00dcRT OLMADI\u011eI \u0130DD\u0130ASI&#8217; 80&#8217;LERDEN SONRA \u00c7IKTI<br \/><\/strong><br \/>Munzur \u00c7em, \u201cZazalar&#8217;\u0131n ayr\u0131 bir millet oldu\u011funa, Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n da ayr\u0131 bir dil oldu\u011funu\u201d g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fc de ele\u015ftirerek, bu konudaki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerini \u015f\u00f6yle ifade etti:<\/p>\n<p>\u201dBiz 1980 askeri darbesini \u00f6nemli bir d\u00f6neme\u00e7 olarak kabul ediyoruz. Cuntadan \u00f6nce T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;deki K\u00fcrtler aras\u0131nda b\u00f6yle bir problem yoktu. Kurmanclar ya da Zazalar hi\u00e7bir zaman \u201cBen K\u00fcrt&#8217;\u00fcm ya da de\u011filim\u201d dememi\u015ftir. Baz\u0131 yabanc\u0131lar yani T\u00fcrkler, Almanlar b\u00f6yle demi\u015flerdir. K\u00fcrt\u00e7e&#8217;nin leh\u00e7elerini konu\u015fanlar, leh\u00e7elerini K\u00fcrt\u00e7e&#8217;nin leh\u00e7esi olarak adland\u0131rm\u0131\u015flard\u0131r. Cuntadan sonra, baz\u0131 kesimler \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p dediler ki, \u201cZazaca ayr\u0131 bir dildir\u201d. Bu ki\u015filer ne dil, ne de tarih konusunda bilgi sahibi olmayan ki\u015filer. Bunlara sormak laz\u0131m, \u201cArkeolojik alanda yeni bir bulguya m\u0131 rastlad\u0131n\u0131z? Yeni bir ke\u015fif mi elde ettiniz?\u201d Bug\u00fcne kadar bu konuda bir \u015fey s\u00f6yleyememi\u015flerdir.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Munzur \u00c7em kimdir?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>1945 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u00c7ewl\u00eeg&#8217;in (Bing\u00f6l) G\u00eax\u00ee (Ki\u011fi) il\u00e7esinde d\u00fcnyaya geldi. \u0130lkokulu Setera k\u00f6y\u00fcnde, ortaokulu D\u00earsim&#8217;nin Qisle (Nazimiye) il\u00e7esi&#8217;nde okudu. 1971&#8217;de Ankara \u0130ktisat Fak\u00fcltesi&#8217;ni bitirdi. 1970&#8217;ten bu yana roman, hikaye, masal ve makale yaz\u0131yor. K\u00fclt\u00fcr, ekonomi ve politika \u00fczerine \u00e7ok say\u0131da makalesi bulunmaktad\u0131r. Zazaca gramer kitab\u0131 da yazan \u00c7em, Kurd-PEN&#8217;in kurucu \u00fcyelerinden biri.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Zazaca\u2019n\u0131n \u00f6nemli otoritelerinden Munzur \u00c7em, Zazaca \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar ve Zazalar\u0131n K\u00fcrt olup olmamas\u0131 konular\u0131na de\u011findi. Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n (Dimilk\u00ee) \u00f6nemli otoritelerinden biri olan Munzur \u00c7em, AKnews&#8217;e, T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de kaybolmakta olan 18 dil aras\u0131nda yer alan Zazaca&#8217;n\u0131n sorunlar\u0131, K\u00fcrt ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n bu leh\u00e7eye yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 ve Vate Grubu&#8217;nun \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131 anlatt\u0131. 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