{"id":4706,"date":"2010-09-29T10:26:43","date_gmt":"2010-09-29T07:26:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/wordpress\/2010\/09\/29\/degistirmeye-calistiginiz-her-sey-cevre-ve-hayatin-kendisi-tarafindan-degisime-ugratiliyor-yineleniyor-krishnamurti\/"},"modified":"2010-09-29T10:26:43","modified_gmt":"2010-09-29T07:26:43","slug":"degistirmeye-calistiginiz-her-sey-cevre-ve-hayatin-kendisi-tarafindan-degisime-ugratiliyor-yineleniyor-krishnamurti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/narteks.net\/index.php\/2010\/09\/29\/degistirmeye-calistiginiz-her-sey-cevre-ve-hayatin-kendisi-tarafindan-degisime-ugratiliyor-yineleniyor-krishnamurti\/","title":{"rendered":"De\u011fi\u015ftirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z her \u015fey, \u00e7evre ve hayat\u0131n kendisi taraf\u0131ndan de\u011fi\u015fime u\u011frat\u0131l\u0131yor, yineleniyor | Krishnamurti"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.realization.org\/art\/krishnamurti_u_g.jpg\" border=\"0\" width=\"155\" height=\"205\" style=\"float: left;\" \/><strong>Soru:<\/strong> Bir reformcu, toplum i\u015f\u00e7isiyim. D\u00fcnyada var olan ola\u011fan\u00fcst\u00fc haks\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6rerek, b\u00fct\u00fcn hayat\u0131m\u0131 reforma adam\u0131\u015f durumday\u0131m. Bir toplumcuydum, ama toplumculukla ba\u011fda\u015fam\u0131yorum art\u0131k; toplumculuk, diktat\u00f6rl\u00fckle sonu\u00e7land\u0131. Ne olursa olsun, insan\u0131n soyluluk, g\u00fczellik ve \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck i\u00e7inde ya\u015fayabilmesi, do\u011fan\u0131n ona vermi\u015f oldu\u011fu, ama onun ba\u015fka insanlardan hep \u00e7al\u0131yor g\u00f6r\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc gizil g\u00fcc\u00fc alg\u0131layabilmesi i\u00e7in, hala toplumu yenile\u015ftirmeye adanm\u0131\u015f durumday\u0131m. Amerika&#8217;da belirli bir \u00e7e\u015fit \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck var ama, standartla\u015fma ve propaganda \u00e7ok g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc orada; kitle ileti\u015fim organlar\u0131, zihin \u00fczerinde \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck bir bask\u0131 uyguluyorlar, \u00f6yle g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor ki televizyonun g\u00fcc\u00fc, insan\u0131n icat etti\u011fi bu mekanik \u015fey, kendi ki\u015fili\u011fini, kendi iradesini, kendi hareket miktar\u0131m geli\u015ftirmi\u015f durumda; ve her ne kadar olas\u0131l\u0131kla hi\u00e7 kimse belki tek bir grup bile de\u011fil televizyonu topluma etki etmek i\u00e7in isteyerek kullanm\u0131yorsa da, televizyonun y\u00f6n\u00fc, \u00e7ocuklar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n ruhlar\u0131n\u0131 bi\u00e7imlendiriyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn demokrasilerde, de\u011fi\u015fik derecelerde olmak \u00fczere ayn\u0131 bu. \u0130nsan\u0131n y\u00fcceli\u011fi ve \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc i\u00e7in \u00c7in&#8217;de hi\u00e7 umut yok g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor, \u00f6te yanda Hindistan&#8217;daki h\u00fck\u00fcmet zay\u0131f, bozulmu\u015f ve yetersiz. Bana \u00f6yle g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor ki, d\u00fcnyadaki adaletsizlik mutlak olarak de\u011fi\u015ftirilmeli. Bunun i\u00e7in bir \u015feyler yapmay\u0131 \u00e7ok istiyorum, ama nereden tutup ba\u015flayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131 bilmiyorum.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Krishnamurti:<\/strong> Yenile\u015ftirme, daha \u00e7ok yenile\u015ftirmeyi gerektirir; bu ise sonsuz bir s\u00fcre\u00e7tir.<\/p>\n<p>Bu y\u00fczden, daha de\u011fi\u015fik bir bi\u00e7imde bakal\u0131m ona.<\/p>\n<p>B\u00fct\u00fcn yenile\u015ftirme d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesini bir yana b\u0131rakal\u0131m; kan\u0131m\u0131zdan \u00e7\u0131karal\u0131m onu. D\u00fcnyay\u0131 yenile\u015ftirme iste\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesini b\u00fct\u00fcn\u00fcyle unutal\u0131m. Ondan sonra, b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyada ger\u00e7ekten ne oldu\u011funu g\u00f6relim. Siyasal partiler hep s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131 bir programa sahipler; program uygulansa bile, sonradan bir daha d\u00fczeltilmesi gereken aksakl\u0131klar \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Siyasal eylemden hep en \u00f6nemli eylem olarak s\u00f6z ediyoruz, ama siyasal eylem, yol de\u011fil. Zihinlerimizden \u00e7\u0131karal\u0131m onu. B\u00fct\u00fcn toplumsal ve \u0130ktisadi yenile\u015ftirmeler bu kategoriye girer. Sonra inan\u00e7, idealizm, dogmatizm, baz\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n anlat\u0131m\u0131yla &#8220;kutsal re\u00e7ete&#8221; \u00fczerine dayal\u0131, eyleme ait bir dinsel form\u00fcl var. Bunun i\u00e7ine otorite ve evetleyi\u015f, s\u00f6z dinlemek ve \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn kesin yads\u0131nmas\u0131 giriyor. Her ne kadar dinler yery\u00fcz\u00fcndeki bar\u0131\u015ftan s\u00f6z ediyorlarsa da, d\u00fczensizli\u011fe katk\u0131da bulunuyorlar, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bir b\u00f6l\u00fcnme etkeni durumundalar. Kriz zamanlar\u0131nda kiliseler de hep siyasal tutum tak\u0131nm\u0131\u015f durumdalar, bu y\u00fczden kiliseler, ger\u00e7ek siyasal varl\u0131klard\u0131r ve b\u00fct\u00fcn siyasal eylemlerin b\u00f6l\u00fcc\u00fc oldu\u011funu g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f durumday\u0131z. Kiliseler hi\u00e7 bir zaman sava\u015f\u0131 ger\u00e7ekten yads\u0131mad\u0131lar: Sava\u015ft\u0131lar tersine. B\u00f6ylece ki\u015fi, siyasal form\u00fclleri bir yana koydu\u011fu gibi, dinsel re\u00e7eteleri bir yana koyunca, geriye ne kal\u0131r ve ki\u015fi ne yapmal\u0131d\u0131r? Do\u011fall\u0131kla toplum d\u00fczeni korunmal\u0131d\u0131r. Musluklarda suyu bulmal\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. Toplum d\u00fczenini yok ederseniz, yine ba\u015ftan ba\u015flamak zorundas\u0131n\u0131z. O zaman, ki\u015fi ne yapmal\u0131?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru:<\/strong> Size sordu\u011fum bu ger\u00e7ekten.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Krishnamurti:<\/strong> K\u00f6kten de\u011fi\u015fimle, b\u00fct\u00fcnsel devrimle ilgilenin. Var olan biricik devrim, insan ve insan, insanlar aras\u0131ndaki devrimdir. Yaln\u0131z bununla ilgiliyiz biz. Bu devrimin i\u00e7inde ne kopya edilen bir \u015fey, ne ideolojiler, ne de kavramsal \u00fclk\u00fcler vard\u0131r. \u0130nsanlar aras\u0131ndaki ger\u00e7ek ili\u015fki olgusunu ele almal\u0131 ve onu k\u00f6kten de\u011fi\u015ftirmeliyiz. Ger\u00e7ek olan \u015fey budur. Ve bu devrim hemen, birdenbire olmal\u0131, zaman almamal\u0131d\u0131r. &#8220;Zaman&#8221; demek olan evrim. yoluyla elde edilmez bu.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru:<\/strong> Ne demek istiyorsunuz? B\u00fct\u00fcn tarihsel de\u011fi\u015fiklikler zaman i\u00e7inde yer alm\u0131\u015f; hi\u00e7 birisi birdenbire olmam\u0131\u015f. Olduk\u00e7a anla\u015f\u0131lmaz bir \u015feyi teklif ediyorsunuz.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Krishnamurti:<\/strong> E\u011fer de\u011fi\u015fmeniz zaman al\u0131rsa, san\u0131yor musunuz ki de\u011fi\u015fmenin alaca\u011f\u0131 zaman s\u00fcresince hayat ask\u0131ya al\u0131nacak? Hayat, ask\u0131da de\u011fildir. De\u011fi\u015ftirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z her \u015fey, \u00e7evre ve hayat\u0131n kendisi taraf\u0131ndan de\u011fi\u015fime u\u011frat\u0131l\u0131yor, yineleniyor. Bu y\u00fczden hi\u00e7 bir son yok buna. Durmadan kirli suyla yeniden dolan bir su deposundaki suyu temizlemeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmak gibidir bu. Bu y\u00fczden vakit yok.<\/p>\n<p>Bu de\u011fi\u015fmeyi ne ortaya \u00e7\u0131karacak \u015fimdi? irade, kararl\u0131l\u0131k, se\u00e7im, ya da istek olamaz, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bunlar\u0131n hepsi de de\u011fi\u015ftirilmesi gereken varl\u0131\u011fa ait par\u00e7alar. Hep \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma eylemim olu\u015fturan irade eylemi ve iddiac\u0131l\u0131k yoluyla neyin ger\u00e7ekten olas\u0131 oldu\u011funu sormal\u0131y\u0131z demek ki.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru:<\/strong> irade ve iddiac\u0131l\u0131k eylemi olmayan herhangi bir eylem var m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Krishnamurti:<\/strong> Bu soruyu sormak yerine, daha derinine inelim. De\u011fi\u015ftirilmesi gerekenin ger\u00e7ekten sadece irade ve iddiac\u0131l\u0131k eylemi oldu\u011funu g\u00f6relim; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bireyler aras\u0131ndaki ya da bireylerin i\u00e7indeki biricik yaramaz \u015fey \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmad\u0131r; \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma ise irade ve iddiac\u0131l\u0131kt\u0131r. B\u00f6yle bir \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma olmaks\u0131z\u0131n ya\u015famak, biz sebze gibi ya\u015f\u0131yoruz anlam\u0131na gelmez. Ana ilgimiz \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmad\u0131r bizim. S\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fimiz b\u00fct\u00fcn toplumsal hastal\u0131klar, her bir insan\u0131n kalbindeki bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fman\u0131n yans\u0131mas\u0131d\u0131r. Olas\u0131 olan biricik de\u011fi\u015fiklik, b\u00fct\u00fcn ili\u015fkileriniz i\u00e7inde kendinizi k\u00f6kten bir d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcme u\u011fratmakt\u0131r; belirsiz bir gelecekte de\u011fil, \u015fimdi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Soru:<\/strong> Ama i\u00e7imdeki bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmay\u0131, bu \u00e7eli\u015fki, bu direnme, bu ko\u015fullanmay\u0131 nas\u0131l b\u00fct\u00fcn\u00fcyle k\u00f6kten kaz\u0131yabilirim? Ne demek istedi\u011finizi ak\u0131l yoluyla anl\u0131yorum, ama bunu sadece duygusal olarak ya\u015farsam de\u011fi\u015febilirim; bense duygusal olarak ya\u015fam\u0131yorum bunu. Bu sadece bir fikir benim i\u00e7in; kalbimle g\u00f6rm\u00fcyorum onu. E\u011fer bu ak\u0131lsal anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131ma g\u00f6re hareket etmeye kalk\u0131\u015f\u0131rsam, kendimin ba\u015fka bir, daha derin bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcyle \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma i\u00e7inde olurum.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Krishnamurti:<\/strong> E\u011fer bu \u00e7eli\u015fkiyi duygusal olarak ger\u00e7ekten g\u00f6r\u00fcrseniz, o zaman o alg\u0131n\u0131n kendisi devrimdir. Zihin ve kalp aras\u0131ndaki bu b\u00f6l\u00fcnmeyi kendi i\u00e7inizde g\u00f6r\u00fcrseniz, ger\u00e7ekten g\u00f6r\u00fcrseniz, kuramsal olarak d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmez de g\u00f6r\u00fcrseniz, o zaman sorun son bulur. D\u00fcnya ve de\u011fi\u015fmenin gereklili\u011fi hakk\u0131nda duygulara sahip olan ki\u015finin siyasal etkinlik, dinsel rahatl\u0131k ve gelenekten kurtulmu\u015f olmas\u0131 gerekir; bu, zaman\u0131n a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan, ge\u00e7mi\u015fin y\u00fck\u00fcnden, b\u00fct\u00fcn irade eylemlerinden kurtulmu\u015f olmak demektir: Yeni insan budur. 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